Accountability from the Mayor

David Martin: This is the good government show.

Amy Bublak: Coming from a one room schoolhouse. I never you know, we didn’t have presidents and student government stuff. So it was kind of interesting that as I got into college, I just blossomed. Sherlock, it’s the people. Everybody there is like one of the sayings is it’s the best in the earth as because we’re farmers and the best of each other.

I see that you can make a difference. That matters to me. If I can take something and make it better when I leave, that I’ve done something right. Government is just basically people taking their thoughts, putting them on paper, and trying to formulate plans and get something done. It’s never going to be perfect. It’s never going to be pretty.

But I don’t think people get up every day with intentions of just being lax. The days are cool and meeting mediocrity. I think people really want to do well in life.

David Martin: Accountability. You hear that a lot. Holding our government leaders accountable, tracking the money that government spent, knowing where the money went. For the mayor of Turlock, California, she takes this on as her mandate. Welcome to the Good government show. I’m Dave Martin. First, help us show the message of good government by liking us and showing us where we are.

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She has a long record of public service. Oh, and I should add, she’s a college track and field All-American and a medal winner in javelin Shotput. We spent a good deal of time talking about accountability, she said. When people spend the money, they want to know where the money goes. And that accountability, she says, is good government. Another thing that stood out in my conversation with Amy Black was there was a vote for a tax increase.

She opposed it, but once the people voted for it, she immediately shifted gears and worked to make that new funding work for the city. You’ll also hear some strong opinions from the mayor about the differences between local rule and following state directives. So after the break, Turlock Mayor Amy Bublak. Oh, and we talked. She’s from California’s Central Valley, the agricultural heart of the state.

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Amy Bublak: Yes, I am.

David Martin: Happy to have you. How are things? How are things in Turlock?

Amy Bublak: Things are wonderful in Turlock.

David Martin: Wonderful in Turlock. Everything’s great. No problems.

Amy Bublak: There’s always problems. But, for the most part, for this. For the state. This city is holding its own financially. So I’m happy.

David Martin: We talked a little bit. We just met. We’re here at the Conference of Mayors. And you talked a little bit about accountability. Sure. And I wanted to explore that subject with you a little bit. You know, you know, you people talk about accountability. And what does it mean? What does it mean to you and how does it make a difference when you’re the mayor of a city, you know, to hold everyone accountable and for them to hold you accountable?

Amy Bublak: Well, it’s an ongoing task, but you have to set specific metrics to achieve. Otherwise, you don’t know if you did achieve them and you might not get them all. But it’s important to have some fundamentals, like system of where you’re going and how you’re going to get there so that people see that you’ve done it. And if you just say, yeah, I gave money to X, and yeah, I gave it.

That’s not really going to make anybody feel like they did a good job.

David Martin: So what do you do and what have you, what have you implemented and how have you how have you increased your accountability and your city?

Amy Bublak: Well, for over 30, 40 years we’ve never done roads. We’ve just done like once a year. And now we’re doing 25 to 30, a year. And so it’s 20.

David Martin: To 30 roads. Yeah. Okay.

Amy Bublak: So we’re just taking on a measurement of scale to get everything done and start to plan for the future, and even to the point of having maintenance in the future, so that you don’t have to go back to waiting 40 years and have a road fix again.

David Martin: Is it something as simple as just, you know, maintenance logs? I mean, that or that we’re maintained that are now.

Amy Bublak: No, it was matter of putting funding. We didn’t put money into things, you know, as as money is tight, you don’t. You choose what you’re going to put money on. Right? And so when I got in, I was fortunate enough to, have a tax come forward. And so we’re able to get full staffing from police and fire, which is the first time in my, 16 years.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: Which is huge. All right. And we also have, money that we put 50% of all that tax goes to roads until we get them completed. And that to me is huge because that’s all you ever hear about. Knock on the door when you fix my road, right?

David Martin: Is that the number one issue in your city?

Amy Bublak: It was I mean, it it changes now. It’s just homelessness.

David Martin: We’ll stick with roads for just a moment. Sure. How were you able to find the money? To divert the money? A lot of money so that you could, you know, you you said you increased from two roads to 25 new roads, right? How are you able to do that?

Amy Bublak: So there was a tax that was passed.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: And from that tax.

David Martin: Very popular, I’m sure.

Amy Bublak: Actually, I, I opposed it. I just didn’t vote for it. I didn’t I don’t stand on any, you know, big soapbox and tell people don’t vote for it, but it’s up to the people. It was during Covid. I thought that was a difficult task, but the public wanted it all right. And so for that we said it’s a general tax, but our intentions are public safety parks and roads.

David Martin: So a bit of a lesson here. A teachable moment. I get a bill passed that you weren’t excited about. Right. But then once it did pass, it sounds like you jumped in with both feet and said, okay, here we go.

Amy Bublak: Right. It’s my my job. I’m now we also for accountability. We have a group of people that look at it on a periodic of like four times a year to make sure that we’re actually using the money towards what we said, even though it’s not a specific tax. I want the people to know that we’re doing what they they asked us.

David Martin: To do, but they held you accountable by the vote.

Amy Bublak: Absolutely.

David Martin: And then you stepped up to the plate and were accountable. I did what you’re supposed.

Amy Bublak: To do, right? Yeah.

David Martin: Sometimes it is. Was it hard to set up and manage a program that you initially weren’t behind? And once you started getting into it, you know, where did you see the value?

Amy Bublak: Not at all. I mean, I knew what the public wanted because I’d been on council for many, many years. And so I just a matter of taking what the public had been told we were going to do with it and putting that into some significant format so that we were going to put that money. I had two colleagues who backed my play.

As far as 50% of that money is going to the roads until we get them all done.

David Martin: Was there ever a moment where you said, geez, I got to do this all right. Fine. Not at all.

Amy Bublak: No, no, it’s the taxpayers money. It’s not my money.

David Martin: Well, that sounds like good government.

Amy Bublak: I think so, yeah.

David Martin: A little bit. One of the things that we discussed before we turned the mics on was that you spent, 23 years as a police officer.

Amy Bublak: I did, yes.

David Martin: Yes. So your whole career has been public service?

Amy Bublak: Yes. Yeah. You’re defunct.

David Martin: You’re. Now you can’t see this. But you just looked at me with, like, a questioning job. Furrowed brow. I guess, is the best word like I did.

Amy Bublak: Wow. I didn’t do the math until now. Thanks.

David Martin: Sorry. Which is amazing for someone only 29 years old. Yeah.

Amy Bublak: I know, right, exactly.

David Martin: Did you envision a career in public service? Did you think this was what you would always be doing? Like, you know, working for and serving your city, state, country, people?

Amy Bublak: It always was one person kind of just mumbling to me, you should do this. And I would. I kept getting into leadership that way. Coming from a one room schoolhouse, I never you know, we didn’t have presidents and student government stuff. So it was kind of interesting that as I got into college, I just blossomed.

David Martin: Where’d you go to college?

Amy Bublak: I went to CSU Stanislaus in Turlock, California.

David Martin: Which is right where you are, right? What made you decide to become a police officer?

Amy Bublak: I was getting shot at, I was on the ambulance.

David Martin: You were getting shot. Oh, you were.

Amy Bublak: Because you’re saving people, right? Right. And so the cops would say, well, you know, you can shoot back. And I thought I could be safer doing that, right? I mean.

David Martin: So first, your first job was working on an ambulance.

Amy Bublak: Correct.

David Martin: All right. The same for the county. For the city.

Amy Bublak: It was for Contra Costa County.

David Martin: Okay, so it’s amazing how much more public service you got. Did in.

Amy Bublak: Darn it. Stop it.

David Martin: And you’re in here a few years later. You up to 29. So from there, you went to become a police officer?

Amy Bublak: Correct.

David Martin: All right. Yeah. What would you say to someone who wanted to be a police officer today?

Amy Bublak: It’s an amazing profession. But if you’re going to do it, get in a high, violent area. So you really get to learn everything. There’s nothing you gain by playing it safe. Get in. Get the skill set that you need, and then go wherever you want to for your retirement mode.

David Martin: So what did you learn kicking in doors and throwing people on the ground?

Amy Bublak: Throw them. They threw themselves on the ground. You know, I learned how to talk to people. I mean, you’re always. You know, I think I’m pretty strong person. But I I’m not as strong as men. So I knew that I had to have a gift of gab to get to get them in handcuffs.

David Martin: Did it.

Amy Bublak: Work? Oh, yes.

David Martin: And you became a detective, you said.

Amy Bublak: Yeah, yeah. All right. That was fun.

David Martin: Tell me about a case that you solved that was unsolvable.

Amy Bublak: Oh, shoot, I did.

David Martin: You work cold case stuff.

Amy Bublak: No. Usually not. Richmond had so many cases going one by one that you just kept. It just kept happening. So you didn’t really clean up on that one. You just were thrown in two calls. Right? So I, we were, I was cross-trained ATF, so we got to do both U.S. government and penal code stuff. So it was it was just a great opportunity.

David Martin: So what’s what? Tell me about, Turlock. You’re in the Central Valley, correct? Yes. Of California. Yes. This is where, they grow most of the food, fruits and vegetables.

Amy Bublak: But year round. Right? You know.

David Martin: Yeah, yes, I do a little bit.

Amy Bublak: Blue diamond kind of takes all our almonds from that. That general area.

David Martin: Okay. Do you have a great recipe for, you know, almond Jake or something?

Amy Bublak: I can’t cut, I burn Pop-Tarts or spam.

David Martin: I’m sorry. Sorry to hear that. Well, so what are you dealing with?

Amy Bublak: You know, water. We have a, a surface water treatment plant that just opened up about a year ago. And we share it with another, city.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: And so it’s just difficulty because a lot of our water gets sent away from us. We only get a certain amount. So it’s a matter of getting people to keep cutting back, even though where the water’s going, they’re not necessarily cutting back as much as us because we’re agricultural. We want to make sure we’re taken care of.

David Martin: Well, yes. How do you manage that when you have you’re trying to convince people, if I, if I have this correctly, to conserve their water for someone else.

Amy Bublak: Right. Well, I don’t think we have the platform for that. It it’s a little higher than us. It’s usually. So we we get frustrated and talk amongst ourselves. But we we do what we can. Yeah. Metering. We started early on and so we never got credit for it. We, we have also a sewer, that we changed water into, potable water so that we can send it to areas to use for their, their trees and such.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: It’s good.

David Martin: Tell me one great thing about your life.

Amy Bublak: Turn on. It’s the people. Everybody there is light. One of the sayings is it’s the best of the earth. Because we’re farmers and the best of each other.

David Martin: Oh, I see you have a lot of migrant workers, do you not?

Amy Bublak: I don’t think there’s as many as one would think.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: Yeah.

David Martin: Has it been an issue yet?

Amy Bublak: Yeah.

David Martin: Okay. So that was the easy part. Yeah, yeah. All right, now we’re gonna get the hard part.

Amy Bublak: Let’s do it.

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Amy Bublak: It’s letting the, local governments handle their business and not have the, larger, government trying to tell you what to do when they don’t know what you need is.

David Martin: Can you talk about that? And can you make them understand?

Amy Bublak: Sure. I mean, I would.

David Martin: Trust you’re a good talker. You’re. You’re a.

Amy Bublak: Cop. Yeah, right. I got you in handcuffs already. So, recently we have homeless cops.

David Martin: Go ahead.

Amy Bublak: Yeah. We have a homeless issue, and, it’s a matter of saying each each area can handle it differently. The state shouldn’t tell each city how to handle their their homeless or their homeless shelters and how they achieve their goals. But we’re told this is government. This is a state. You do it as we should.

David Martin: When people are frustrated with government. Yeah. What should they do?

Amy Bublak: I think they should speak up, but they don’t typically know who’s doing what. So, you know, often people come and complain to us about education. We don’t do education.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: So it’s defining what we do and what is somebody else’s role. And it’s not to pass the buck. But you know, if you stay in your lane, you don’t have as many unfunded mandates and you do a better job.

David Martin: Okay. So just speak up and. Sure. And I guess a little bit a corollary to that is, you know, learn if you’re complaining to the right place.

Amy Bublak: Right.

David Martin: Yes. Yes. Okay. We talked about this a little bit, but what drew you to public service? I mean, you you know, you could have been worked in ambulance anywhere. You could have done other things. Yeah. What drew you to public service now? I mean, obviously for the money.

Amy Bublak: Yeah. $500 stipend a month before taxes. You know, I, I see that you can make a difference. That matters to me if I can take something and make it better when I leave, that I’ve done something right.

David Martin: There are other ways to do that. So that in public service.

Amy Bublak: You’re kidding me. Now you tell me.

David Martin: Yes. Sorry. I should have called you sooner.

Amy Bublak: I wish.

David Martin: Yes, but what made you. You know. I mean, what made you do it? What made you stay in it?

Amy Bublak: I think my background as a police officer gave me the understanding of how to. You can deal with people, take emotion out and solve problems. And so I think it’s just a perfect match for me.

David Martin: So you were a police officer. Now you’re the mayor. Do you hire the police chief?

Amy Bublak: No. Our city manager does. But I love our guy. He’s a great guy. He’s just a great attribute for our community.

David Martin: Did you work together on this all the way? No no no.

Amy Bublak: No. You can’t work in the city. You are. So I, I worked outside of Turlock. I was never in Turlock.

David Martin: Oh, okay. All right. Because you don’t have to run around and see your old partner.

Amy Bublak: Go there. I know what they’re doing.

David Martin: Yeah. Yes, exactly. So who inspires you? What inspires you now? In public service.

Amy Bublak: You know, I’m kind of a no individual person. We have 60 churches. I go to all 60 churches. My husband and I, just so that we can be with people. This interaction with people inspires me. And I feel as if, the one on ones are so much better for me than when, you know, the the group estaria gets gets out there.

You don’t really know if you’re making a difference or if you’re doing the right thing.

David Martin: Okay. Was there anyone you know, like when you point to like, when you decided to run for mayor, was there some person where you said, oh, this is the person that’s doing it for me? I like what they’re doing.

Amy Bublak: No, I got bad. I just got mad at who was doing it and I ran. It was it was silly, but,

David Martin: Well, did it work out? It did. Okay. Did you ever see yourself running for office?

Amy Bublak: Oh my gosh, no. Having come from a one room schoolhouse, graduating eighth grade, 12 people, I didn’t really.

David Martin: Now, you’ve said this twice.

Amy Bublak: I’m a small town girl. I don’t really one.

David Martin: Room.

Amy Bublak: Schoolhouse. Really? Latrobe, California.

David Martin: Look it up. Okay.

Amy Bublak: Is it nothing?

David Martin: Latrobe, California.

Amy Bublak: All right.

David Martin: Google that folks.

Amy Bublak: Yeah.

David Martin: Oh. It was like, for how many years was it one.

Amy Bublak: Of those two K through eight. When we when we, when I graduated, 12 people in eighth grade, they had taken the library and put it in, like to put K through three and four through eight with a teacher principal handling it. Yeah. So I mean, I don’t know what it is now.

David Martin: But you really did go to a one room.

Amy Bublak: We really did. Wow. We had a farmer phone where you pick it up and other people can be on the phone. You can answer it anywhere with a different ring. And who would think?

David Martin: How big was your high school?

Amy Bublak: Like 300 people.

David Martin: Oh my God. Yeah. You were overwhelmed.

Amy Bublak: Yes. I mean, Turlock is a metropolitan to me, right? It’s so huge.

David Martin: Okay.

Amy Bublak: But I loved it. It came to college. People just. I got adopted into so many families there, I did, I came there not knowing a soul. And I just I wanted to get back.

David Martin: So you retired from the police department. You could have retired and just collected your pension. Yeah. All that. What made you decide to run for office? To get into politics? Get any government?

Amy Bublak: Well, I was already on council by then. So I just when I retired, it was like, okay, well, let me let me see if this is if I’m good at this. And, you know, Covid didn’t help, but I got through it.

David Martin: And so who made you mad?

Amy Bublak: It was a the mayor. I was I was a council member. They were mayor.

David Martin: Yeah.

Amy Bublak: And they just didn’t like the way they were treating people.

David Martin: Okay. But you said I could do better.

Amy Bublak: I did.

David Martin: Which is exactly what you said before. You know what you said. Get involved. Yeah. You did exactly what you said. Other told other people to do.

Amy Bublak: Kind of a woman of my word, I.

David Martin: All right. And are you. Do you still talk to the former mayor from time to time?

Amy Bublak: No. I text, invite him to something, and he didn’t answer. So.

David Martin: So you’re not. You’re not? You like to.

Amy Bublak: Think we’re good there.

David Martin: I’m sorry to hear that.

Amy Bublak: That is bad.

David Martin: So you said you were city council. You’re a police officer for that. You’ve been mayor. I think you said six years now. Yeah. Okay. What would you like people to know about government?

Amy Bublak: Government is just basically people taking their thoughts, putting them on paper and trying to formulate plans and get something done. It’s never going to be perfect. It’s never going to be pretty. But I don’t think people get up every day with intentions of just being lax. A day’s a goal and meeting mediocrity. I think people really want to do well in life.

David Martin: All right. What’s the best part of the job?

Amy Bublak: The people. I just love meeting the people all the time. I go to everything. I mean, I put a full time job into it, and I, and I don’t I mean, I’m not getting paid for it, but the people are just amazing.

David Martin: And do they like you? You know?

Amy Bublak: I think they do. Yeah. The majority, I mean, I keep getting elected. That’s. That’s how, you know.

David Martin: You can’t make everyone happy.

Amy Bublak: Never.

David Martin: Well, how do you know what? If you’re doing a good job. Between elections. Like, how do you. How do you know? And you know, do you? Is there something you think about where you go? Yeah. I did a good job. Yeah. Messed that one.

Amy Bublak: Up. I’m going to enough events. I’m getting feedback constantly. You know, I speak at the normal service clubs, but I’m also trying to make sure I make contact with people at whatever their events are. Okay, so that I hear.

David Martin: Does it take you forever to get to the grocery store?

Amy Bublak: Yes. My house.

David Martin: Bishop’s does have a real deal. I was talking with, county health commissioner one time, and he said, his wife will not let him go to the hardware store anymore. Similar and similar problem.

Amy Bublak: It’s it it’s not a problem. But, yeah, I mean, sometimes you’re just like, I’m not dressed for this or I’m, you know, not having the best day. So go ahead. You go.

David Martin: So there’s other though day where you just put on sweat pants at a at a baseball hat. God’s just going to run out.

Amy Bublak: I’ll leave. I’m going to go work out with somebody like that.

David Martin: So if they see you with a baseball hat and sweatpants, you’re on the.

Amy Bublak: Balls.

David Martin: Yeah, I am. Okay. So what? What keeps you up at night?

Amy Bublak: Really? Nothing.

David Martin: Nothing.

Amy Bublak: No, I, I let everything settle where it’s going to be and handle it the next day. I don’t really I don’t lose the.

David Martin: Stuff that you stress over. No, nothing. Nothing.

Amy Bublak: No, I usually I.

David Martin: Yeah. Your your your the I guess. Okay. So Turlock, central valley of California, I have never been there. If I were to come out. What’s the thing that I must have. What must I sample from the central Valley of Turlock? What’s the dish? What’s the what’s the what’s what do we have?

Amy Bublak: So we have a place that, ladies, is a restaurant. And so, George Bush senior had gone there, and they have a chair with his name on it. All right, but there’s the pie is pretty amazing there. Okay. There’s actually less about the food. There’s a place called Jessica’s house, and it’s for all different age groups of grieving.

And they’ll put you in, like, if you were lost, somebody and you were at their bedside and you never said what you needed to, and you’ve just it’s been just eating you up as a kid or a dog. And there’s just a big two story house that they built for this. And it’s just phenomenal. Like, you can the this other room upstairs, they have a, time machine.

You so you can put it back to when somebody passed and you didn’t get to say what you wanted to. Wow. It’s just it’s just a really neat thing which comes back to what you’re, like, so special about everybody helps everybody.

David Martin: Okay. All right. But, pie, if I was going to everybody, I. If I’m dining you, you’ve got the place to go.

Amy Bublak: I mean, pie and donuts, right? I mean, I have the car right now, you know, my my weakness.

David Martin: All right. Well, what what pie? We have.

Amy Bublak: I love boysenberry.

David Martin: What is it? Yeah. What do they grow the most of their.

Amy Bublak: Oh, it’s almonds, but yeah, almonds and peaches are probably the biggest off off season of almonds is peaches.

David Martin: But you don’t cook, so I’m not going to ask you if you’re a peach. Sorry.

Amy Bublak: Not like I. Nothing.

David Martin: That’s okay. What do you do for fun?

Amy Bublak: I work out, I train for the world police and fire games.

David Martin: Oh, and how do you do?

Amy Bublak: Two gold medals, two world records.

David Martin: Well, okay, you bury the lead. Yeah. All right. What are your gold records in.

Amy Bublak: Javelin and Shotput?

David Martin: Really? Yeah. What’s your distance?

Amy Bublak: I’ll leave it.

David Martin: How does it compare to, you know, like Olympic athletes?

Amy Bublak: Oh, shoot. That. That was me a long time ago. Okay? I’m just an old lady trying to stay in shape and beat everybody else.

David Martin: And do you compete as a as a glacier fire?

Amy Bublak: I did two years ago. And I will next next summer.

David Martin: Wow. Oh, yeah. All right, so you’re training hard?

Amy Bublak: Of course.

David Martin: So if they do see you in sweatpants, do that. Slow you down. Yeah. There’s there’s work to be done here. So this is the good government show. We always bring it back to good government. Sure. Tell me a good government project in Turlock that you’re especially proud of?

Amy Bublak: I would say that is probably and nothing to do with me, but I would say that it’s probably our, sewer, center. So it is a regional and like the country of Turkey came to see how we did it.

David Martin: Yeah.

Amy Bublak: And, it’s just a phenomenal thing. We have, like, the best lab people in the area, probably in the state. And it’s not something people want to talk about a power plant, but it’s something that we do really well. And and it’s something that everybody needs done.

David Martin: You know, they do.

Amy Bublak: Your toilet, you want to make sure it’s done.

David Martin: Well. It’s one of those things that is not glamorous and it’s not something anybody talks about. But when you come there, someone says, we need to do you know, sewage treatment plant and you go.

Amy Bublak: Mr.. What’s that?

David Martin: What? And all of a sudden, you know, six months later, you can have a conversation about sewage with.

Amy Bublak: The best of my ability of land. I’ve I’ve learned many things in my, my career now.

David Martin: Okay. Starting with, sewage street.

Amy Bublak: Yes. Definitely sewage.

David Martin: Amy Bublak, the mayor of Turlock, California. It was a pleasure meeting you. Thank you so much for stopping by. Appreciate it. The joy, the peach pie.

Amy Bublak: Better. Thank you.

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